12 comments

  • andrewgioia 3 hours ago
    Does anyone have any insight on this? Currently at LGA and they’re continuing boarding procedures, but they’re not giving us any updates otherwise.
    • abnry 3 hours ago
      • 1970-01-01 2 hours ago
        A national radar outage would do it. This would be a bigger story. Everyone needs it to forecast. However it doesn't seem to actually be offline. So I don't think it was a very long outage if it did go down.
        • gscott 2 hours ago
          The floppy disk upgrade went wrong
        • ddtaylor 2 hours ago
          How do a bunch of separate radars all go down at the same time? Aren't they spread around the US?
          • 1970-01-01 2 hours ago
            I'm thinking it was "the website went down" issue.
        • Aperocky 2 hours ago
          weather radar still works for weather channels..
      • O5vYtytb 2 hours ago
        I can still access NOAA radars just fine.
    • micah94 2 hours ago
      Homeland Security saying "telecommunications" outage. But nothing more at this point...
      • tosapple 1 hour ago
        microsoft yesterday, funny.
        • latentsea 1 hour ago
          Jensen the day before that, funny.
    • jmclnx 3 hours ago
      I think I remember seeing an article here about air traffic controller systems moving off of 3.5" diskettes. Related ?
      • neko_ranger 3 hours ago
        "upgrade to cds. make no mistakes"
      • gosub100 2 hours ago
        No, my guess is cyber attack from a state we've been making false accusations against.
        • junga 2 hours ago
          Which one?
          • majorchord 1 hour ago
            Too many enemies to guess at this point
        • ashdksnndck 2 hours ago
          Can you fill in the blanks here? My attempt: "China would never spy on us, but because of the implication they would put 50k of our citizens currently in the air in mortal danger"?
          • thephyber 12 minutes ago
            It's not a credible thesis, at least not given the info we have. Tier 1 cyber enemies would have done something more subtle (so as not to trigger a kinetic warfare response or a response in kind) or something so obvious that they announce it with a declaration of war.

            It's far more likely that the creaky old civilian radar infra has problems or some old single point of failure (maybe an old mainframe) has/had downtime. There are 3 widely rumored causes of this FAA outage (with seemingly no evidence) related to projects that the Feds were already working on making: (1) an AI air traffic controller assistant, (2) migration to something newer than 1970s floppy disk tech, (3) migration away from radar to GPS for controllers).

            All of these are more likely than a foreign cyber team attacking FAA systems in this way.

        • GolfPopper 1 hour ago
          So, "We have met the enemy and he is us?"
  • United857 3 hours ago
    Is this the first such case since 9/11?
    • dole 3 hours ago
      No.

      "January 11, 2023. All U.S. departing flights were halted for several hours after a computer outage crashed the FAA's Notice to Air Missions (NOTAM) pilot notification system"

      9/11, 2023 and today are the only three times.

    • Jtsummers 2 hours ago
      9/11 was different, that also required all planes to land, more or less, as quickly as possible and not continue to their destinations (unless that was timely, I suppose). This one is a departure ground stop, no more planes going up. Planes in the air haven't been ordered to land yet.
    • KPGv2 3 hours ago
      no, there was one in 2023 when a pilot notification system went down
  • RickJWagner 1 hour ago
    First, the Microsoft outage. Now this.

    Extraordinary.

    • thephyber 9 minutes ago
      Not extraordinary, at least not given the little information we have now.

      Even the hyperscalers (AWS, Oracle Cloud, CloudFlare) are down about once every 5 years for as long as Microsoft Office was yesterday.

      The FAA has systems older than I am and they are known to have at least 3 major upgrade projects in the works.

  • promptsupporter 3 hours ago
    Something with frequency of ATC signals?
  • ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago
    Some more discussion on source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50489641
  • smrtinsert 4 minutes ago
    I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was the aliens.
  • anthk 11 minutes ago
    Dear Unix users, "man 6 atc" won't solve it.
  • jmclnx 3 hours ago
  • ranger_danger 1 hour ago
    Could this be related to what caused Outlook to go down?
  • dmitrygr 2 hours ago
  • teddy2000 1 hour ago
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