8 comments

  • whartung 45 minutes ago
    We have this in CA. I have Tesla batteries and they promote wanting me to enroll my batteries into a larger grid so their capacity can be used during higher load events.

    I thought it was a novel idea when I heard about it.

  • roughly 1 hour ago
    I love this. It’s basically an edge cache for power, with an enormous amount of side benefits - smooths out solar power, smooths out the duck curve, and allows the grid to size closer to the average load and absorb the spikes at the edge, instead of cascading into the core.

    There was an article earlier about the distribution challenges that come from large workload fluxes, too - tl;dr is the transmission lines get less efficient under higher load, so smoothing out the demand curve to the end user also raises the efficiency of the entire grid.

    And as someone points out below - the proliferation of EVs also helps this, because they can act as a “deep” reservoir so the local residential batteries can be much smaller - more buffers than something expected to run the house for more than a couple hours, so that makes the whole setup even cheaper, depending on when and where the EVs are getting charged.

    • patmorgan23 37 minutes ago
      Yep, flatten the peak means you can spread the cost of the transmission grid over more electrons, lower the cost per unit of energy.
  • AndrewKemendo 46 minutes ago
    Vermont continues to be a leader in anarchism and distribution of power (pun intended).

    Distributed power storage/generation has been a thing for a century and it’s finally economical enough to be mainstream.

    This was the whole pitch of the solarcity/tesla solar tiles + power wall a decade or more ago.

  • bentt 5 hours ago
    I live in Vermont. This is the first I've heard of this. But I like it!
    • raddan 22 minutes ago
      I live just over the border in Massachusetts and we have something similar, called ConnectedSolutions. It is essentially the same kind of program except that the benefit is a 0% loan on the battery purchase. I have a 15kW battery that allows me to power the entire house overnight without drawing from the grid. When the power company wants to draw from my battery, they send me a notification through my battery’s app. I can opt out some fixed number of times, too. And, just as when my solar runs net negative, the power company pays me (in bill credits) whenever the virtual power plant draws power.
    • sowbug 3 hours ago
      It would be nice to change the headline to "Vermont is replacing power plants with home batteries." Shorter and potentially saves a click.
  • sippingabonedry 35 minutes ago
    Britain learns about new product called Tesla Powerwall

    also

    Titanic Sinks Four Hours After Hitting Iceberg

  • alexnewman 24 minutes ago
    Note I have a Tesla powerwall at home. They installed it inside before I bought the house. I always wonder what happens when these things catch fire
    • margalabargala 17 minutes ago
      > I always wonder what happens when these things catch fire

      If you're hoping someone will chime in to tell you they have magic firefighting foam inside them or something, I regret to inform you that what happens if it catches fire is exactly what one might naively expect from large lithium batteries.

      • SoftTalker 3 minutes ago
        Yep. I'd never have a large battery like that in my house. Outside, a safe distance away, maybe.
        • bradfa 0 minutes ago
          Unless you plan to physically assault it with weapons, it’s extremely unlikely to catch fire.
  • UltraSane 45 minutes ago
    I've seen a program funded by a utility that integrated batteries with air conditioners.
  • thelastgallon 5 hours ago
    Or they could use EVs. Require cars to have V2X (Vehicle to Grid, Vehicle to Load) feature. EV batteries are humongous.
    • bethekidyouwant 19 minutes ago
      The down votes are because you use the word require. They’re never going to require it it would be opt in.
    • 0cf8612b2e1e 3 hours ago
      As a consumer, would you want the extra usage on your battery? Those extra cycles have to cause some additional degradation to the system, but I do not know how much.
      • nicoburns 15 minutes ago
        > As a consumer, would you want the extra usage on your battery?

        I feel like this is likely going to be a non-issue in practice. Because these batteries are rated to last at least 10 years either way. And by that time, the cost of replacement will be dramatically cheaper.

      • _aavaa_ 2 hours ago
        How much would I get paid?
        • 0cf8612b2e1e 1 hour ago
          Net metering rates are pretty poor, so I would guess not much outside of extreme grid instability. Although, you then might want to selfishly hoard the juice for yourself.
          • eunoia 1 hour ago
            It would not be selfish to run your home off the car battery during peak rates and therefore cutting peak demand on the grid. Everyone wins.
    • jethronethro 4 hours ago
      Do any of the EVs sold in the US support Vehicle to Grid?
      • happyopossum 9 minutes ago
        Many do - teslas, ford lightnings, Kia ev9, all the GM Ultium stuff (Silverado etc, hummer ev, Cadillacs), and a bunch of others.
      • WarmWash 32 minutes ago
        Lightnings do (well before they were discontinued)

        But given they are NMC chemistry, you probably wouldn't want to cycle them a lot for the grid (or just your home).