Elevated Errors for Multiple Models

(status.claude.com)

166 points | by __vivek 2 hours ago

52 comments

  • teekert 1 hour ago
    A nice chance to try sonnet again, must say, I'm not missing the load bearing assumptions, honest read of the permission matrix, what's genuinely a Django convention and what's a design choice, what's worth my thinking, and what's worth being precise about.

    Long story short, it seems to be faster and less vocal but not much dumber (it's just my thinking partner, so I read a lot of the output as I create a large data model).

    • devin 1 hour ago
      Reading this made me ill. Nice job!
      • teekert 4 minutes ago
        My allergy to Claudish is also rapidly progressing. I think it’s now at a boundary that is genuinely worth exploring. Oh no!
    • Waterluvian 33 minutes ago
      Has anyone else had luck having a system level prompt for “express all responses in bullet point form unless full sentences are specifically necessary”? Because I’ve been having tremendous luck with that.
      • chuckadams 12 minutes ago
        I remember Jetbrains Junie which read like that all the time. Never used first-person either. I've not used Jetbrains AI for a while though, not sure if it still reads that way.
      • nater5000 25 minutes ago
        Just over the last couple of days I've found that forcing the models to use bullet points has helped a ton. I was even tempted to post something/ask around if others had any similar experiences with this.
      • visarga 23 minutes ago
        I'm doing the opposite - prose. And specifically for Claude the 4s - "simple short synthetic style"
    • martinald 54 minutes ago
      The other bizarre word I've now noticed and can't understand is "pathological". As in "bug has turned pathological"
      • evanmoran 39 minutes ago
        The new ones for me are adding extra terms like the 3 faces, to park at the door. (It’s 3 methods that block the thread)
      • devin 32 minutes ago
        "Latent" is another one, as in "latent bug" or in one particularly odd case "latent twin".
      • Waterluvian 32 minutes ago
        This is a term fellow devs have been using for years and years and my brain just cannot come to re-index its meaning. So I am immediately distracted by the context switch to sociopathic liars and related psychology.
    • nonethewiser 1 hour ago
      Way leas capable of taking high level instructions and making sensible changes across a codebase.

      Good for more precise changes.

    • Syntaf 1 hour ago
      I've almost entirely stopped using Opus 5, at least with Sonnet I know what i'm getting -- Fable for the complex stuff and Sonnet for the precision changes.

      The verbosity of Opus 5 isn't even my issue, it's consistency. For every 10 tasks Opus 5 accomplishes, there's at least one task that Opus 5 does just an atrocious job of, or a debugging investigation that it just completely goes off the rails on.

    • echelon 1 hour ago
      My engineering has changed so much that I'm now using this time to catch up on emails and think about design and architecture for the next leg of work. (And post on HN, of course.)

      I would never have predicted this a year ago.

      I always scoffed about engineers not doing work during Github outages - I'd always find some kind of other engineering to do if PRs or builds were piling up.

      But during model outages, and since I'm not actively set up to use OpenAI/Codex at the moment, I'll just find something else productive to do. I don't think I'm ever going to write code by hand again unless I'm fixing something the AI can't manage or the change is small enough. Why even try when the machine is 100x faster?

      Should I give Codex another try? It's been a month or so since I last used it, and it always felt inferior at Rust and TypeScript.

      • r_lee 49 minutes ago
        I think if you've got the money, you should set up a coding harness that you can plug to openrouter and then be able to switch quickly, as these new models seem to be coming out pretty regularly now

        switching subs is kind of a PITA since you need to commit to a month at least

  • jotaefea 53 minutes ago
    Codex seems to also be down for some folks (me included) https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1w69ff6/whats_this_e...

    Their status page is hard to believe given how many folks are chiming in to report on Reddit https://status.openai.com/

    • postalcoder 41 minutes ago
      Auth to OpenAI's developer platform isn't working as well, so something is seriously wrong.

      Seeing as how xai, anthropic, and openai are all having issues at the same time, it has to be a common provider, right? Maybe cloudflare?

      edit: ChatGPT and Grok are back up. Claude is not. Typical.

      https://status.x.ai

      https://status.claude.com

      https://status.openai.com

      https://www.cloudflarestatus.com

      • anonymars 37 minutes ago
        As an aside, reminder to consider keeping your status page on a separate domain lest the problem be e.g. with DNS. You can see cloudflare does this (and we all know github does too as they give us frequent reasons to check it)

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27102020

    • _Tev 46 minutes ago
      Codex is down for me too.

      Status page is very funny - claiming "We’re fully operational" while https://chatgpt.com gives 404, lol.

    • anonbuddy 49 minutes ago
      chatgpt is down as well - interesting
    • thinkingtoilet 42 minutes ago
      We've all noticed that when one company announces a new model, the other one announces a new model usually within hours. I guess now we're syncing downtime too.
    • continuum 44 minutes ago
      Codex is also down for me
    • RinTohsaka 47 minutes ago
      codex is down for me as well. getting a bunch of 404s spit back at me.
  • trjordan 1 hour ago
    Grok models are struggling too: https://status.x.ai/ reply

    Looks like trouble in the SpaceX datacenters.

    • torginus 50 minutes ago
      Isn't this the classic blackout scenario? Claude goes down, then people move over to Codex, which is overwhelmed, and crashes, so people move to Grok...
      • kristofferR 49 minutes ago
        This ain't just slow/at capacity, this is dead down.
        • embedding-shape 32 minutes ago
          When you're dealing with millions of users and response times go up above timeouts, there isn't much difference between "at capacity" and "down" if most users can't reliably use the service.
        • reinhash 47 minutes ago
          exactly, I think it will be an interesting story in retrospective, what happened here
    • alansaber 1 hour ago
      What could go wrong with building them as fast as physically possible?
      • clickety_clack 1 hour ago
        What works for me to avoid these problems is not scaling.
        • genidoi 34 minutes ago
          That approach doesn’t scale though.
    • esskay 30 minutes ago
      OpenAI are down and they do not use any SpaceX capacity.
    • Aboutplants 1 hour ago
      Their figures are only getting worse with time interestingly enough with non-inference dipping under 100%. Wonder what is going on
      • martinald 53 minutes ago
        Bit of a misleading status page, if you click in you can see that grok 4.5 and 4.6 etc are totally down, with the rest of the models showing as "up". I_strongly_ suspect they are not weighting it to actual number of requests!
    • Lalabadie 28 minutes ago
      I'm sure it's not that, but I'm picturing Elon Musk again unplugging random machines in the datacenter, and hiring dudes in a pickup to move them.
    • matt-p 1 hour ago
      I wonder where eu-west is.
      • Aldipower 1 hour ago
        French Guiana ?
        • foresterre 1 hour ago
          Far more likely Ireland, like it is for AWS. Could also be Paris, London, Amsterdam, etc.
          • Aldipower 33 minutes ago
            Oh, really? OK. Although Ireland is more humid then French Guiana.
        • rmujica 26 minutes ago
          actually Clipperton Island
    • empath75 1 hour ago
      I would be _very_ surprised if anthropic relied heavily on spacex datacenters already.
      • pantalaimon 6 minutes ago
      • matt-p 1 hour ago
        I wouldn't. When you're operating at say 95% realtime capacity suddenly losing even lets say 10% of your compute leads to major pain.
      • r_lee 47 minutes ago
        did you forget about the insane Claude Code usage limits a few months back?

        those were only relieved once they did the Colossus deal with SpaceX

        are you only saying that because of Elon?

  • scottydelta 1 hour ago
    The interesting thing is they changed default mode for Claude code to auto mode and auto mode uses sonnet to decide whether the command is safe or not. With their Sonnet model outage, the entire thing stopped working.

    here is the error it was throwing:

    > Error: claude-sonnet-5[1m] is temporarily unavailable (overloaded), so auto mode cannot determine the safety of Edit right now. Wait a moment and then try this action again. If it keeps failing, continue with other tasks that don't require this action and come back to it later. Note: reading files, searching code, and other read-only operations do not require the classifier and can still be used.

    • rrrx3 1 hour ago
      ahhh, sonnet shitting the bed explains why I started getting prompted for basic approvals last night and early this morning
    • throw83930489 1 hour ago
      I am on YOLO (not auto), still the same problem.
  • nr378 1 hour ago
    The competition for the least reliable developer service continues between GitHub.com and Claude.com...
  • mandadtabrizi 4 minutes ago
    codex was working fine until I installed the update and now getting the same error. Gemini and claude are fine but there is an update for both and I'm not taking a chance.
  • stri8ted 1 hour ago
    Demand > supply. It's impressive that customers have not migrated en masse to other providers, given the frequency of these outages. Perhaps switching costs are greater than some would believe. Or, qualitative differences between models continue to exist, despite matching on public benchmarks.
    • kilroy123 1 hour ago
      I think a lot of people, like myself, have. Codex paid users have grown a lot in the past few months.
      • khalic 31 minutes ago
        check their status page...
    • hmokiguess 1 hour ago
      Demand is actually shared between users and internal. Anthropic uses their own compute for training and building.
    • throw83930489 1 hour ago
      I did migrate 80% of my tokens. But for some tasks claude models are still the best.

      Easy workaround is to work outside US peak hours (europe morning). I love this outages, I am hardly affected, and weekly reset usually promptly follows!

    • bflesch 1 hour ago
      That's quite a reach. More likely someone merged and deployed their vibe-coded PR and is now figuring out how to bring the service back up.

      If there's a lot of demand for rollercoaster rides, the rollercoaster will not stop operating; instead the queue of people in front of it will increase.

      It's not like a bridge or elevator where we have a certain number of people that can use it, and if one more person joins, the whole structure breaks apart and everybody perishes.

      Those guys are running a website that provides an interface for some specific hardware. Just like file hosting providers back in the day selling their terabyte-sized hard disks in 100MB-increments.

      • stri8ted 1 hour ago
        > instead the queue of people in front of it will increase.

        This can ultimately result in the system breaking. I don't think Anthropic engineers are that much worse than their peers, such that they are 10x more prone to causing outages due to bad deployments.

    • enraged_camel 1 hour ago
      >> Perhaps switching costs are greater than some would believe.

      I haven't switched because there's nothing to switch to that is anywhere as good. I've been making dedicated attempts at using Sol but it falls short, despite what some people claim.

    • testfrequency 1 hour ago
      If only every outage was due to “demand”.
      • stri8ted 1 hour ago
        Reduced weekly limits, higher prices than competitors, paying well above spot price for space-x compute, all point to supply issues.
      • ieie3366 1 hour ago
        Do you really think it’s a coincidence claude outages always happen when US and EU workdays overlap?

        Anthropic is a trillion dollar company and employs way more skilled high-paid engineers than you are btw, you really think it’s a systems issue not capacity

  • dgellow 1 hour ago
    It would be really funny if Anthropic engs run open weight models locally when they need to fix Claude API issues :)
    • throwup238 1 hour ago
      Or just their own models locally, since 8x GPU pods fit under a desk (makes a nice foot heater too)
      • jaggederest 53 minutes ago
        It's been a while since I messed with serious hardware, what's the cooling noise level? I guess they have to be water cooled or the rack format 8u ones would be about 100db
  • goonersallofyou 45 minutes ago
    Both claude and codex down at the same time! Might actually get some quality code merged in today for a change!
  • jodacola 1 hour ago
    Setting aside annoyance at the downtime, I'm really curious about the reasons for the failures, because I have to imagine there are some novel failure modes when serving these giant models that I haven't experienced with the kind of work I've done.

    Anyone out there working in this space who can elucidate us on interesting failure scenarios unique to the space?

    • martinald 1 hour ago
      It's (mostly?) compute shortages. Right now it seems there is an issue in the SpaceX datacentres, so they will have less compute than normal.
  • dnautics 26 minutes ago
    Is anyone else noticing degradation of quality many evenings from 9pm-2am-ish ET? I wonder if anthropic has some sort of usage pattern that incentivizes them to route to weaker models.

    I also fully acknowledge that I might be making spurious associations

  • alberth 49 minutes ago
    Is Cloudflare the corrupt for multiple AI labs having problems?

    They are experiencing increased errors themselves.

    https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/?t=1

  • gtsnexp 59 minutes ago
    Open AI models just went down as well. What is going on?
    • ModernMech 56 minutes ago
      chat.com is down for me but the models seem to still be working. But actually i noticed instability last night at 3am eastern when thinking kept repeatedly failing.
      • gtsnexp 55 minutes ago
        Zed is not able to access the API
        • ModernMech 51 minutes ago
          I'm monitoring a process started in codex so maybe already in-flight things are still going / are about to hit a wall.
          • gtsnexp 45 minutes ago
            Are we amidst some sort of 'attack on titan'?
  • d1ss0nanz 1 hour ago
    If y'all could just log off for the day, that would be great!
    • rrrx3 1 hour ago
      grass touching not allowed. shareholder profits must increase
      • jaggederest 51 minutes ago
        Don't think of it as being unable to work, just like github outages, it's two weeks a year of mandatory time off
        • rrrx3 24 minutes ago
          fairs... lemme go log 17 hours in an airport to make it authentic
  • stacktrace 1 hour ago
    Not just claude, even grok seems to be down - https://status.x.ai/

    If I didn't know any better, I would have said Grok is using Claude behind the hood. But definitely curious now why it’s happening with both these LLM providers around the same time

    • aurareturn 1 hour ago
      Looks like a SpaceX issue then.
      • stacktrace 1 hour ago
        Ahh, thanks for pointing it out. But it's rather interesting that Claude recognised the outage quicker on their status page than Grok.
    • zipy124 1 hour ago
      Don't they just share the colossus 1 data center?
    • Phemist 1 hour ago
      Potentially because they run from the same colossus DCs?
  • tekacs 54 minutes ago
    Amusingly and frustratingly, this coincides with Codex also being down right now:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1w69ff6/whats_this_e...

    • jsw97 51 minutes ago
      This of course could be a coincidence. But I suppose also that if one goes down the others get slammed, so there could be a cascade. If I were another provider I would possibly monitor Claude outages (or vice versa) as a load predictor.
      • tekacs 49 minutes ago
        Quite possibly, yeah! Although in the past, whenever Anthropic has been down, I've always been able to rely on using OpenAI.
    • graemep 52 minutes ago
      Possibly people switching work from Claude to Codex?
  • damsta 44 minutes ago
    I was using Opus 5 and now I'm forced to switch to Sonnet 5 and bust the prompt cache which will eat a large percentage of my 5h usage...
  • rob 1 hour ago
    Officially signing up for the $200 Codex plan now. I do like CC, but these errors are happening every week now, and if they (Anthropic) gave regular resets that's one thing, but somehow I'm already at 62% weekly usage after the random reset this Tuesday using Fable 5.1 medium. Just not worth it any longer compared to Codex IMO. I already set up my skills and everything to be generic and not CC specific, so it shouldn't be too hard to transition over. I'll run both for a month and decide.
    • SunshineTheCat 53 minutes ago
      Couldn't recommend it more. I've been on their $100/mo. plan and they keep randomly resetting my weekly usage limit. It's been wild. Don't know how long it will last, but I couldn't go through all my usage if I tried.

      Their Sol model has been doing great for most of my tasks, even at its "Medium" setting.

      Much different picture then back when I was using Claude. I would sneeze and half my usage would be gone and then it go down several times in between.

      Hope it goes well for you too!

    • FoundTheShill 1 hour ago
      [flagged]
  • TomGarden 55 minutes ago
    Only Sonnet working over here, but it feels really fast and good. I could get used to this... Really wanted to take Fable 5.1 for a spin though
  • nikhizzle 2 hours ago
    Kind of cool how fable 5.1 just worked around these by reassigning subagents to non-failing models with more supervision and now with a hint to Sol and Flash 3.8.
  • mandadtabrizi 30 minutes ago
    codex was working okay for me and I made a mistake of installing the update. didn't update gemini or claude and they're still working fine.
  • khalic 32 minutes ago
    PSA you can switch to sonnet and compact as damage control
  • giancarlostoro 2 hours ago
    What's funny is I had just told Claude to kill whatever coding loop it had running. Then got a 529 immediately.
    • tartoran 43 minutes ago
      Maybe you triggered a cascade of events that took down a few datacenters.
      • giancarlostoro 27 minutes ago
        "Stop all loops you're running" would be one hell of a 0-day for Opus to pull off, but hey, it did crack me up thinking about it.
        • Bluestein 6 minutes ago
          Like literally all loops your model is running. All. Of. Them.-
  • _Tev 51 minutes ago
    Gemini (free) throws errors for me too.

    EDIT: it was just 3.6 Flash, 3.1 Pro works it seems.

  • small_model 53 minutes ago
    Grok, Codex and Claude Code all not working for me now (server issues)
  • macwhisperer 3 minutes ago
    honestly boggles my mind that actual companies put load-bearing (lol) work behind 3rd party api's like claude or gpt.. also its really funny because some of these companies fired actual humans to put said 3rd party api to work in place of humans... like what happens when ur boy claude stops showing up for work huh!?
  • reinhash 46 minutes ago
    looks like I am going back to the stone age now and write code by hand. Or maybe I am just going to take a walk
  • ksimukka 49 minutes ago
    Slack was/is also having issues
  • _joel 2 hours ago
    Damn, I'll have to think for myself now...
    • teekert 1 hour ago
      Haha, I was more like: I have to think alone now. But I get the feeling, as someone who has always made a point of using only foss on my own machines (own the means of production so to say), this is a weird time. I don't like it, I hope soon local models get good. But in the mean time... We have this... dependency.
      • airhangerf15 1 hour ago
        I use a lot of spec driven development today. It does allow me to make workflows that were on my Life's backlog for months or years in 10~20 minutes. It's amazing, but also I lack ownership over the thing made. It's like I paid a contractor.

        I can feel that my actual cognitive engineering skills are in decline. Does anyone else see this? To those of you who haven't hand written a PR in months, can you still write your own personal software as easily as you once could?

        • Espressosaurus 34 minutes ago
          It feels like I’ve got TikTok brain for coding and have trouble staying focused on the boring grunt work of coding (like threading an API change across the required stack).

          I can still do it but it requires more willpower than it used to in part because I’m getting used to telling some LLM to do it for me.

          Maybe those no AI Friday ideas have some merit.

        • sire-vc 43 minutes ago
          There are little tools/optimisations that I have been wanting to do for years that I can just throw at AI now. I am almost annoyed sometimes because the little easy things I could do to 'relax' are now gone: if I am working on it is something AI can't do, normally because there are moving parts outside of the repository it can't see (i.e. integration problems, and I hate those).
        • whattheheckheck 38 minutes ago
          Take a math class
    • Linello 1 hour ago
      Cursor Grok models are down too...maybe a datacenter outage?
  • aurareturn 1 hour ago
    It goes down so often that I've advocated my company create enterprise Codex accounts as backup for devs.
    • dofm 1 hour ago
      Using the backup compute capacity stored above their shoulders is somehow unthinkable?
  • messh 42 minutes ago
    What about AWS Bedrock??
  • aqme28 1 hour ago
    This pushed me off of a cheaper model into a more expensive one :'(
  • Khaine 1 hour ago
    Maybe the models have gone rogue again
  • lowbloodsugar 32 minutes ago
    What I find fascinating is that this thread was chock full of people saying “Well this is the last straw: I’ve just signed up for Codex.” And now every single one of them is gone. They felt like marketing shitposts when I read them and their sudden absence now that Codex is down too only confirms it in my mind.

    It lols like the timeline is Claude went down, some % migrated to Codex, then Codex went down. So much for the “multiple providers” theory. Wonder how token-based providers are doing.

  • Rover222 48 minutes ago
    Grok is also down. Codex is also down. Is this the full meltdown?
  • sire-vc 46 minutes ago
  • mtgh2s 1 hour ago
    Every time I see Anthropic ship an issue like this, I'm reminded of Boris Cherny's glorious quote: "At this point it's safe to say that coding is largely solved."

    lol

  • eis 1 hour ago
    Cost and reliability are the two reasons why we don't use Claude in our product. Getting close to one nine, that's not something one can build a reliable product upon. We now use OpenAI with Gemini fallback (or vice versa depending on use case). Personally I like Claude and have the 20x Max plan but even there I burned through the whole weekly quota with 3 prompts in less than a day using the new Fable 5.1 which is crazy. Now Opus 5 is down. These two issues are really testing my patience.
    • bakies 48 minutes ago
      We just use bedrock in prod
  • nprateem 53 minutes ago
    ChatGPT also has started failing. Impossible to work.
  • wslh 1 hour ago
    I just experienced this through OpenRouter and filed a refund request. I'm curious how OpenRouter handles incidents like this across such a large number of models and providers.
  • cute_boi 1 hour ago
    Are they going to reset?
  • chrisjj 1 hour ago
    > Elevated errors

    Anthropic, please hire a literate human.

  • bflesch 1 hour ago
    During each forced workflow interruption I look for alternatives. No matter if I can't use the product due to a server outage or due to their weird quota limitations.

    This can't be good for retention numbers. Old-school VCs would've ripped them apart in the air. Where did all the expertise go?

    • stri8ted 1 hour ago
      I suspect the only reason those alternative providers have better up-time and more generous quotas, is because they don't have nearly the same amount of demand. Notice that Deepseek recently had to increase their pricing, once it gained it popularity.
    • derwiki 1 hour ago
      Good day to try omp and GLM 5.3
      • SyneRyder 41 minutes ago
        Yeah, I really like GLM 5.3 Flash with vision. Reminds me of when Claude was lots of fun to work with. It does feel slow, thinking away on the Chinese servers, but it's so incredibly cheap that for a lot of tasks I don't mind it taking a bit longer. I'm finding it mindblowing having entire software features built out for 5 cents, 20 cents.
  • Anslopic1 1 hour ago
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  • YCandHN 1 hour ago
    Nobody uses this shit
  • jh54 1 hour ago
    HN is not a claude uptime tracker!!
    • kingkawn 1 hour ago
      Since an overwhelming number of people who use it are Hackers who come here to seek News it seems relevant
  • chb 29 minutes ago
    Since when is HN a mirror of status pages? This post and another regarding ChatGPT (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49550614) are non-news.