Lifelike biochemistry continued to unfold in sterilized soil

(quantamagazine.org)

104 points | by speckx 3 hours ago

5 comments

  • buildsjets 1 hour ago
    Reminds me of the Gamma Forest at Brookhaven National Labs. From 1961 thru 1978 they irradiated a section of the pine barrens forest with a cesium-137 source just to see what would happen. It sterilized the soil and hardly anything grows there, almost 50 years later.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/pJYr6qiZnMdVwLJS6

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/brookhaven-gamma-forest

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsuiLxcDuHY&t=925s

    • HarHarVeryFunny 48 minutes ago
      That's a bit odd - why wouldn't wind blown non-sterile organic matter from the surrounding forest re-colonize the area?
      • rolph 12 minutes ago
      • jjk166 37 minutes ago
        If there's enough radioactive material and it is mobile enough (due to ground water or wind driven mixing) to stay near the surface it could sterilize any organic material that comes in faster than it can accumulate.
        • i_cannot_hack 17 minutes ago
          "An area of oak-pine wood was selected East of Upton, and a tower was constructed that could raise and lower a canister from underground that contained radioactive source material, allowing for controlled dosage levels that emanated in a radius from the tower. The canister contained Cesium-137, which would emit ionizing gamma radiation without making the surrounding area radioactive itself."
        • tucnak 20 minutes ago
          They said specifically that it were a cesium-137 source. I think the commentator is fair in pointing out that this finding is ultimately quite odd.
    • ErroneousBosh 1 hour ago
      I'm guessing the distinct lack of Google Streetview on that circular bit of road nearby and the tracks implies a certain amount of resistance to access if you get off that dual carriageway to the west?
      • buildsjets 1 hour ago
        That "circular bit of road" is the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, the second highest-powered particle accelerator on the planet.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Heavy_Ion_Collide...

        • ErroneousBosh 6 minutes ago
          Awesome! I had a good nose about the LHC when I was there a few years ago. I'm guessing that site isn't quite so enthusiastic about visitors?

          The dump load for one of my wind turbines is a pair of 22Ω resistors recovered from one of CERN's "free for all" scrap piles :-)

  • greenbit 51 minutes ago
    This is great, if you have significant amounts of free oxygen to work with, which early earth evidently did not. Would be interesting to see if anaerobic metabolism could also occur without cellular confinement.
    • asdff 4 minutes ago
      Biochemists have been doing just that for like 100 years. They'd take a bunch of yeast, grind the cells into a slurry releasing whatever is inside, separate the cell debris, and perform experiments measuring fermentation rate.
  • j16sdiz 1 hour ago
    It feels next would be trying isolate the component that make CO2. Try to use smaller sample. Put them under microscope, etc.
    • greenbit 8 minutes ago
      Maybe it's the very molecules that the live cells were using, just doing their thing without the cells. Cells concentrate things by confining them in a small volume, but otoh, if you have damp particles, the thin water layer on the particles would be a kind of confining space, with the added advantage of surface area to exchange gases with.
    • wagwang 46 minutes ago
      I might be dumb, but I figured they would just continuously subdivide the sample until they isolated it. Maybe CO2 sensors wont be sensitive enough?
  • JackFr 1 hour ago
    Obligatory Asimov: 'The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but 'That's funny...”'
  • emsign 1 hour ago
    This is huge news if true for evaluating soil experiments on Mars. They could give false positives for life if they only look for metabolic products.
    • adrian_b 51 minutes ago
      In the second part of the article there is an explanation which for me is the most plausible, and which would not be applicable to Martian soil.

      Even if they killed all living beings in the soil, after their death the enzymes that are the catalysts for metabolism would just become dispersed in the soil and they continue to catalyze reactions like those of the Krebs cycle.

      After many years of storage the molecules of the enzymes will be degraded, i.e. they will break into fragments. That again does not mean much, because the catalytic action of the enzymes is typically caused by very small parts of the enzymes, which can remain intact even after fragmentation.

      In general, the biggest part of an enzyme is just a scaffold that attaches the enzyme in precise places of a cell, usually on some intracellular membranes, so that a great number of enzymes can be assembled like a production line in a factory, to coordinate the metabolic reactions for maximum efficiency.

      After death and enzyme fragmentation, even after many years, the catalytic fragments of the enzymes can still catalyze reactions like those of the Krebs cycle.

      It is also possible that some of the observed chemical reactions are catalyzed by minerals present in the soil and not by remnants of the enzymes from the dead cells, but for now no evidence has been gathered about this.

      Moreover, there are enzyme residues which are difficult to distinguish from abiotic minerals. Some of the enzymes involved here contain a catalytic part formed by a cluster of iron and sulfur atoms, which are attached to a protein molecule. That iron-sulfur cluster is pretty much identical with a very small fragment of an iron sulfide mineral.

    • cogman10 1 hour ago
      Not as much as you might think.

      We've found amino acids almost everywhere we look, including astroids [1].

      It seems that the building blocks of life pretty naturally and readily form. Which is a pretty strong indicator that life is likely fairly common outside earth.

      [1] https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasas-asteroid-bennu-sampl...

      • adrian_b 41 minutes ago
        The amino acids that can be found everywhere include ten of the simpler amino-acids that are used in proteins.

        The other 11 amino-acids from proteins have never been found where life does not exist. They are more complex and they seem to have been developed by living beings long after the appearance of life and the appearance of the genetic code (they seem to have substituted later the simpler amino-acids in certain locations of the map of the original genetic code, which encoded fewer amino-acids).

        Moreover, while the simple amino-acids, including the ten that are used in proteins, can be found pretty much everywhere, wherever they were not produced by living beings they have been found in racemic mixtures, i.e. in equal amounts of left-handed and right-handed isomers, while in proteins only the left-handed isomers are used, so the living beings normally produce almost only left-handed isomers. Very small quantities of right-handed isomers are produced by some living beings, for other purposes than making proteins.

        So it is relatively easy to distinguish amino-acids that have been produced by living beings from amino-acids that have been produced in abiotic conditions (i.e. the amino-acids produced in abiotic conditions are recognized by the absence of complex amino-acids and by the presence of great quantities of right-handed isomers).

      • stevenwoo 42 minutes ago
        Tangentially related, this is a bit trying to sell upcoming book, but the discussion of origins of life was interesting to me. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2526959-how-a-radical-n... YMMV but It’s free via my local library and Libby if you are stopped by the subscription nag.