Tell HN: An app is silently installing itself on my iPhone every day

Every day for the past 3 days around 1pm EST the 'Headspace' app has been silently appearing on my iPhone (13 Pro). Automatic downloads are turned off and I've updated to the latest iOS since this started happening.

I googled around and found a couple reddit threads with people reporting the exact same thing starting 2 or 3 days ago. There were reports from people on iPhone 12 and iPhone 17 so it doesn't seem device-specific.

Anyone else seeing this? Does anyone understand how or why this is happening?

164 points | by _-x-_ 5 hours ago

35 comments

  • _-x-_ 3 hours ago
    Here's a Reddit thread of other people experiencing the same issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1su82sc/headspace_app_...
    • cortesoft 2 hours ago
      This is fascinating. I am very curious to find out what the actual cause of this turns out to be.
      • trueno 1 hour ago
        same. i get blasted with ads for this app on whatever platform, never installed it myself. the amount of promotions + this = my underdeveloped brain is so ready to assume the worst here. been a while since i used my pitchfork & i'm here for the riot.

        if it is, in fact, something nefarious at play that would be a pretty crazy 2026 era exploit. but i'm certain it's a bug/artifact of some sort that, for whatever reason, affects this specific app.

        • powersnail 50 minutes ago
          Maybe the developer was using Headspace as part of the test data and it bled into production?

          It's hard to imagine what Headspace would like to achieve if this were an exploit executed by them. It's so salient, that it makes no sense to do on purpose. At least some portion of Apple employees and their families are going to be affected by this, and this would escalate to the legal department immediately.

          My money is on Apple being the buggy one here.

          • trueno 23 minutes ago
            > My money is on Apple being the buggy one here.

            Yeah I'm thinking some sort of test artifact bleeding into prod and subject so some nightly process is likely the case.

    • Bjartr 3 hours ago
      Based on that I'd guess either a meditation app company has figured out how to circumvent a lot of controls put in place by Apple, or it's a bug on Apple's side
      • a34729t 2 hours ago
        Or it is a mandated backdoor, and someone internally objected, and made it easier to exploit than it should be, or leaked how to exploit it?
        • 8cvor6j844qw_d6 2 hours ago
          > mandated backdoor

          Probably one from the repository of backdoors "accidentally" introduced or "never" discovered.

          The mechanism's there, just needs to be woven with other exploits.

      • _-x-_ 3 hours ago
        Yeah, I think the latter is more likely than the former. Perhaps a server side bug that's silently downloading the app on any device that's installed it previously?
        • donkey_brains 2 hours ago
          But why this one specific app and no others?
          • altairprime 1 hour ago
            Maybe Apple typo’d an app id incorrectly for some iOS core app thing in 26.4.2 and the one-character error is this app? I don’t know that anyone’s done a ‘likelihood of collision’ analysis on appstore unique IDs yet. Certainly I could see iOS having a “must be on the device” system set up for apps like Phone and Settings that has a last-ditch of reinstalling it if somehow deleted. Would be especially interesting if some core app that can’t normally be deleted is currently unprotected (back up your device locally first!).
          • layer8 1 hour ago
            Maybe it’s Apple’s equivalent of Guru Meditation.
          • _-x-_ 2 hours ago
            Right, that's what confuses me the most. I was very surprised to find the reddit thread showing that other people are also having this specific app silently installed on their devices.
          • breppp 1 hour ago
            Headspace leaves health data, that's where my first guess would be
      • aaron695 1 hour ago
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  • aaronbrethorst 1 hour ago
    I wonder if U2, or Bono, has taken a significant stake in Headspace recently (kidding).
  • usef- 26 minutes ago
    This isn't the first system bug that primarily was visible due to headspace: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/02/ios-11-1-2-date-bug-cra...

    In 2017 it was an endless crash loop caused by any app with local time-based notifications.... Which for almost everyone at the Apple store I visited was meditation apps with daily meditation reminders (in Australia we were among the first to wake up on that affected date. The fix went out before most of the remaining world woke up)

    I wonder if the daily reminder is triggering a reinstall? Perhaps try disabling the reminders before uninstalling.

  • yokuze 2 hours ago
    Do you have Settings > Apps > App Store > (Automatic Downloads) App Downloads turned on?

    I noticed apps appearing on my Home Screen I’d never heard of before. Turns out with that setting and Family Purchase sharing turned on, every time my wife installed a new app, it installed on my phone too.

    That may not be your exact scenario, but I wonder if turning off that Automatic App Downloads setting (if enabled) changes anything. Could give you a clue, if so.

    • _-x-_ 2 hours ago
      App Downloads and App Updates are both turned off. I don't have anyone else's devices on my account, just me. Thank you for the suggestions though!
  • doncho 29 minutes ago
    Very interesting, especially if it found a way to bypass the explicit disabling of automatic downloads…

    Now imagine you’re roaming during a 10-day vacation…and you think you’re in control :) …

  • COFyumo 2 hours ago
    I have the same exact thing happening. I deleted the app a few days ago when was surprised to see it in my app list.

    I had previously downloaded the app but and removed it because I never used it. A few days ago I noticed the app when browsing through my app list and thought maybe I didnt delete it properly, so I made sure to delete it. Then this morning my iPhone updated software versions and I found he Headpsace app again on my home, except this time it was grayed out and waiting for me to go on wifi to download.

    I just deleted it again but am equally dumbfounded

    • _-x-_ 1 hour ago
      That's interesting that it still showed up on your homescreen despite not being able to download
  • nottorp 17 minutes ago
    Meanwhile, I can't install an iOS game i bought in 2021 (Azure Saga if it matters) because it's delisted from the app store.

    Damned if you pay them, damned if you don't.

  • 1659447091 1 hour ago
    Do you use iCloud drive?

    This might be a stretch as I am taking a guess at the implementation, but apps can sync with iCloud Drive and I keep getting app folders showing up after telling it not sync but the prefs reset after certain states(not quite sure when/how)-- it then creates a new sync folder when interacting with the app again. (after having turned off sync and deleting the folder -- once it resets)

    I am wondering if that app had that feature (icloud drive syncing) and something of the reverse is happening. Where you have a document still on icloud drive from when you installed the app. Maybe there is some action or state change going on after interacting with drive on a mac or something similar. And now it's created the right circumstances for icloud drive to try and sync the file but there is no app on any device so it downloads the app instead since it's missing and there is some dangling file looking for its home.

    • _-x-_ 1 hour ago
      It still doesn't make sense why the app started silently downloading itself 3 days ago when I haven't had it installed in over a year. I do use iCloud drive but do not see anything related to the app inside of it.
      • 1659447091 1 hour ago
        Did you update iOS before it started happening? Wondering if they may have introduced a regression that is now trying to re-sync everything after the last update (sync files may be hidden, I set files to always show)
        • _-x-_ 1 hour ago
          I updated after noticing the issue
  • timothyisonline 45 minutes ago
    Possible this is tied to your carrier?
    • snailmailman 31 minutes ago
      I don’t think carriers have the ability to install apps on iOS. I’ve always thought it’s weird that they can do that on android.
  • whilenot-dev 30 minutes ago
    I think it's worth mentioning that you had the app installed around a year ago, as I can imagine some "restore from backup" scenario at play.

    I'm currently with a 13 mini (26.4.2), never had this app installed, and am not encountering this issue.

  • altairprime 1 hour ago
    The iOS reviews for the app also confirm this story affecting others.
  • ddxv 1 hour ago
    If anyone wants to browse some of the SDKs in headspace:

    https://appgoblin.info/apps/493145008/sdks

    I see normal development and tracking SDKs. If anyone sees something interesting let me know.

    • speedgoose 47 minutes ago
      The Facebook Ads SDK in a mental health app isn’t normal. Or shouldn’t.

      Even analytics SDKs is a bit weird to see. Are Amplitude or Sentry hosting data with a healthcare compliant infrastructure ? I won’t bet. Are those SDKs for sure not leaking health care data? It can be inadvertently, especially with Sentry. But I really wonder about why people feel the need to track so much. Do they **** in front of PowerPoint slides showing the tracking data or is it to sell user data?

      • rkachowski 32 minutes ago
        They are normal. They generally want to know if the ad spend resulted in an install. Health care data is radioactive and they would be fucking up very hard if sending this to an analytics service.
        • hansvm 24 minutes ago
          Health care companies are radioactively affected by mishandling healthcare data (give or take practical impact being very toothless, especially nowadays). The data itself is mostly not an issue though under any legal theories, and if Joe Schmo hedge fund digs up your colon photos that's not usually an issue.
        • speedgoose 24 minutes ago
          I have seen studies where some apps were fucking up very hard and sending healthcare data to services that shouldn’t receive it. Sometimes in clear text.

          My trust is very low. Having healthcare data in a Sentry payload by mistake happens to the best of us.

  • dagmx 1 hour ago
    I’m curious if everyone experiencing this is on 26.4.2? It came out 4 days ago according to Wikipedia…it would make sense that it lines up with when people are seeing it start.

    I’m on the 26.5 beta and not seeing it at all.

  • janstice 4 hours ago
    Is your phone connected to some work mobile device management? I could imagine someone has a jinxed Jamf or intune rule that is pushing things out.
    • _-x-_ 4 hours ago
      No, this is my personal device. It has never been connected to any MDM.
      • Schiendelman 3 hours ago
        Have you actually checked your device management settings?
        • _-x-_ 3 hours ago
          Yes. In Settings > General > VPN & Device Management, it says 'Sign in to Work or School Account'. Is there a different device management setting that I should be looking at?
          • Schiendelman 3 hours ago
            That's the one. I was worried you might have something you didn't know about!
        • teruakohatu 3 hours ago
          Yes, there are alt app stores that try to get you to agree to installing a MDM
  • bfbf 27 minutes ago
    Do you have TestFlight installed? That’s the only other way I can think of delivering apps besides the App Store and MDM.
  • k310 4 hours ago
    Did you ever install it, or Ginger?

    An app store search also turned up "Headspace Care" (Ginger)

    Ginger is now Headspace Care

    It would be beyond malware for an app to install itself, since there's that app store hurdle to leap. (IMO)

    • _-x-_ 4 hours ago
      I installed the app in March of last year, and then deleted it the same day because I didn't want to pay for the subscription
  • a34729t 2 hours ago
    I would call Apple support; you might even get an engineer call you back. I am sure they would love to know what the hell is going on.
  • nkotov 1 hour ago
    Had this happen as well. I haven’t used Headspace in years. Randomly had the app appear on Home Screen.
  • bastawhiz 2 hours ago
    Do you have MDM enabled on your device? Does your company offer Headspace as a perk and some arcane set of sketchy business agreements led to auto install policy in your company's MDM solution?
    • _-x-_ 1 hour ago
      No MDM installed
  • rglover 4 hours ago
    If you've ever installed any companion app on your desktop macOS, your phone will try to sync apps (I think the same with Apple TV). Caught me off guard a few times.
    • _-x-_ 4 hours ago
      No, I've never downloaded it on my desktop. It appears that I downloaded it onto my phone over a year ago (I got an email in my inbox), but didn't want to pay for it so I deleted it.
  • bofia 29 minutes ago
    Are other people using your phone?
  • con 1 hour ago
    Just checked and it also installed itself on my phone. iPhone 17 Pro, non-US App Store, on latest iOS beta, no MDM. Sounds like an Apple Store bug to me.
  • verisimi 33 minutes ago
    Side point, re this:

    > Automatic downloads are turned off

    Isn't it funny that we're so used to the misuse of language (ie lies) that this isn't even a point? I'm talking about software flags to represent your choices, that are merely an 'aspirational intention' and don't actually correlate with reality.

    In my world, it shouldn't be possible to override 'turned off automatic downloads'. 'Off' shouldn't be a pacifier for the user, while Apple, Google or whoever can continue installing whatever they like. This isn't what words mean. There isn't actually a choice, but it misleads you into thinking there is. I'm sure there are legal words around this in the "ownership" contract, but "off" can't really mean "on".

  • NetOpWibby 1 hour ago
    _Severance intensifies_
  • DavideNL 1 hour ago
    @_-x-_: "Settings > App Store > Show Install Confirmations > On".

    Maybe that helps?

  • treexs 3 hours ago
    this is the plot of Persona 5
    • rootsudo 2 hours ago
      He can be the joker we need.
    • efilife 1 hour ago
      how heavy of a spoiler is this? I wanted to play it
      • makeitdouble 1 hour ago
        It's covered in the first 10~20min or so of the game, and is really a minor side point.

        Off topic, put P5 as a game doesn't really care about spoilers much, there is one specific story telling gimmick that will screw with you if you're really sensitive to these kind of things.

      • applfanboysbgon 1 hour ago
        It's not really a spoiler. It is something that happens near the beginning of the game.
      • diegoperini 1 hour ago
        If I am not mistaken, it's even shown in the marketing materials to build suspense.
  • csomar 1 hour ago
    > Does anyone understand how or why this is happening?

    They are drowning in tech debt. Here are two main issues I have with my iPhone/iOS: I can't search for the telegram app. It doesn't show up. It shows fine on the iPad. Also just a few minutes ago, app search decided not to work. I usually use it to pull my Wallet to pull my card. It was an awkward moment as I had no idea where the wallet app actually is.

    I have lost count of the minor polish issues. The experience has degraded so much that you no longer care.

    • snailmailman 35 minutes ago
      Regarding the telegram app I’d check iOS settings->apps->telegram->search and make sure “show app in search” is checked

      You can intentionally hide apps from search. If you did this, it’s not very obvious that its hidden from search unless you dig for the setting. Similarly, “hidden” apps refuse to show up in search results anywhere, even in settings.

  • mandeepj 4 hours ago
    How did you find that? Any notification?
    • _-x-_ 4 hours ago
      It just appears on my homescreen
  • psynixx 5 hours ago
    I’ve been getting this too, same app same behaviour… Anyone been able to figure out what is causing this?
    • _-x-_ 4 hours ago
      Have you downloaded the app before?
  • meloyc 2 hours ago
    jailbreak phone?
    • _-x-_ 1 hour ago
      Negative
  • throwaway5465 4 hours ago
    Maybe a competitor is trying to FUD them?
    • _-x-_ 4 hours ago
      I would imagine that this isn't (or at least shouldn't be) possible based on Apple's security. The app is automatically downloading to my phone without my permission.
  • 3vo-ai 17 minutes ago
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  • xinji-standard 4 hours ago
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  • lovich 3 hours ago
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    • anon84873628 2 hours ago
      At least they're exposing their nefarious plans for the purposes of... Offering people mental healthcare?

      It's probably just some Apple bug.

      • lovich 1 hour ago
        Why did a mental healthcare company have the ability to exploit this?

        Do you think they accidentally found this 5 seconds before their exploit was launched or do you think they might have actually put some effort into doing this since they are an organization of people.

        • kennywinker 1 hour ago
          I am pretty skeptical it’s intentional. Very risky move. If they make apple look bad they can say goodbye to getting featured in the app store, or could even get pulled from the store completely.

          I can see a fucked up ceo greenlighting a trick to get their app installed on your phone without asking. I can’t really see them having it repeatedly download.

          I suspect it’s a bug, or worst case a backdoor that’s been triggered with a commercial app instead of spyware accidentally or “accidentally”.

        • altairprime 1 hour ago
          I cannot possibly imagine the company as a whole would approve of this, much less anyone at the company who wants to keep their job. If it’s found that they exploited Apple to cause this, Apple might force-remove their app worldwide and definitely will kill their developer account pending any lawsuits. That’s the sort of thing that gets a CMO fired. Seems extremely unlikely, but if their C_O gets fired on Monday or Friday, then we’ll probably know why :D
    • firecall 1 hour ago
      > The fact that it’s happening shows that they always had the ability...

      That may not be the case here, and certainly isn't the assumption we can make more generally.

      We regularly see regressions in platform security.

    • lovich 2 hours ago
      [flagged]
      • slater 2 hours ago
        Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

        https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

        • lovich 1 hour ago
          When this forum handles the bot and propaganda problem I might consider those rules.

          Currently we are inundated by accounts who don’t give a shit and make a new automatically 3 seconds after their flagging.

          As long as those accounts are allowed I don’t really care for the stated rules that aren’t actually enforced.