Aromatic 5-silicon rings synthesized at last

(cen.acs.org)

47 points | by keepamovin 2 days ago

5 comments

  • snitty 2 hours ago
    >Move over cyclopentadiene anion—there’s a new five-membered aromatic ring in town, and this one is made of silicon.

    CHEM-Es are build a little different from the rest of us.

    • gilleain 1 hour ago
      Cyclopentadiene is a great molecule - it can form 'metallocene' compounds where two cyclopentadiene (Cp) rings 'sandwich' a metal ion between them:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallocene

      Like Cp--M--Cp where the '--' are an unusual kind of 'bond' which is somewhat like five carbon-metal bonds, although I'm sure there is a more accurate orbital description of the interaction.

      • theideaofcoffee 24 minutes ago
        The ‘--‘ is a ligand bond, a fundamental aspect of coordination and organometallic chemistry.
    • nerdsniper 41 minutes ago
      Chemists really. Chem-E’s basically just play IRL Factorio at work. The graphs in Factorio look almost exactly like OSI PiSoft charts, which basically every chemical plant uses.
    • bonzini 1 hour ago
      "The average person probably only knows the formulas for olivine and one or two feldspars" (https://xkcd.com/2501)
      • moffkalast 16 minutes ago
        And quartz of course.
      • robwwilliams 1 hour ago
        Perfect! I read this “heart-warming” overview of two papers in Science and learned zero about why this is of any significance. The discovery is significant but I had to probe Opus 4.6 to find out why.

        The personal focus is a distraction. It would be great if science writers could focus on the science and significance of the advance.

    • theideaofcoffee 33 minutes ago
      Nah, this is just a strict chemical synthesis problem, no need for the engineers yet, until you want to make ten thousand tons of the stuff.
  • JackFr 1 hour ago
    Dilithium is a real thing. Who knew?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilithium

    • rrr_oh_man 1 hour ago
      It's indispensable when dealing with self-sealing stem bolts
  • rbanffy 2 hours ago
    Any possible applications?
    • ultratalk 2 hours ago
      > Iwamoto and Scheschkewitz say pentasilacyclopentadienides could be ligands for catalysts and materials.
      • frederikvs 19 minutes ago
        Sounds like it could improve the production efficiency of glyptal-impregnated, cyanoethylated bushings for turbo-encabulators!
      • robwwilliams 1 hour ago
        The review should have expanded on this at a practical level even mom and dad could understand—the standard “better life through chemistry” angle.
  • cubefox 2 hours ago
    So what was their aroma like?
    • snitty 1 hour ago
      In this case aromatic means a ring of atoms where there is electron sharing among all the members of the ring.

      They're called aromatic rings because before they understood the structure, they grouped them by their behavior, and the aromatics contain a lot of volatile organics like benzene, toluene, phenol, which have strong odors.

      • moffkalast 14 minutes ago
        So it's not volatile enough to give off a scent?
      • worthless-trash 1 hour ago
        I like your explanation without condescension. Respect.
    • andrewflnr 25 minutes ago
      "Characteristic", no doubt.
  • YarickR2 1 hour ago
    So, we have a chance to reduce our usage of volatile hydrocarbons. Silicon-based chemicals should not burn as easily as CH-based ones.
    • gus_massa 1 hour ago
      No, it's a super weird molecule that is big, expensive to make and probably form a solid. It can not replace solvents like benzene.

      The weird structure of the electrons in the silicon cycle may be useful as a catalyst(or not, it's too early to be sure). Imagine it is like the Platinum in the car exhaust, not the solvent in the paint remover.

    • adrian_b 1 hour ago
      This particular silicon compound is unlikely to help much in that direction.

      On the other hand, silicone resins and elastomers are already in widespread use in applications where resistance to high temperatures or burning is required (silicone =/= silicon, the former coming from silic-on + ket-one, a name based on a wrong hypothesis).

      However, their mechanical resistance is usually modest, so if that is important they must be used either in combinations with other materials or reinforced, e.g. with glass fiber.

      They are also more expensive than hydrocarbon-based plastics, so they are typically used only where strictly necessary.