Parsing Advances

(matklad.github.io)

74 points | by birdculture 9 hours ago

4 comments

  • tgv 44 minutes ago
    So ... someone calls their parsing strategy "resilient LL parsing" without actually implementing LL parsing, a technique known since the 1970s, and then has an infinite recursion bug? Probably skipped Parsing 101.
  • eru 1 hour ago
    Writing parsers by hand this way can be fun (and might be required for the highest performance ones, maybe?), but for robustness and ease of development you are generally better off using a parser combinator library.
  • smj-edison 7 hours ago
    Huh, that's a really interesting approach. I just wrote my first Pratt parser a month ago, and one of the most annoying things was debugging infinite loops in various places (I had both tokenizer bugs where no characters were consumed and parser bugs where a token was emitted but not advanced). It's doubly annoying in Zig, because the default test runner won't print out stdout at all, and won't print stderr unless the program terminates by itself (Ctrl + C doesn't print). I resorted to building the test and running it manually, or jumping into a debugger to figure out recursion issues. It's working now, but if (really when) I run into issues in the future I'll definitely add some helper functions to check emitting invariants.
    • someone_jain_ 4 hours ago
      its also very annoying that one can't have two test names where one is substring of other
  • kccqzy 8 hours ago
    How about another way, which is memoization: at each position in the source code we never attempt to parse the same production more than once. This solves infinite looping as discussed by the author because the “loop” will be downgraded by the memoization to execute once. Of course I wouldn't literally use a while loop in code to represent the production. I would use a higher-level abstraction to indicate one-or-more or zero-or-more in the production; indeed I would represent productions as data not code.

    This also has another benefit of work sharing. A production like `A B | C B` will ensure that in case parsing A or C consumes the same number of characters, the work to parse B will be shared, despite not literally factoring the production into `(A | C) B`.

    • Porygon 44 minutes ago
      Memoization to limit left-recursive recursion is nicely described in Guido van Rossums' article here: https://medium.com/@gvanrossum_83706/left-recursive-peg-gram...

      I recently tried that approach while simultaneously building an abstract syntax tree, but I dropped it in favor of a right-recursive grammar for now, since restoring the AST when backtracking got a bit complex.

    • luizfelberti 4 hours ago
      I also find this to be an elegant way of doing this, and it is also how the Thompson VM style of regex engines work [0]

      It's a bit harder to adapt the technique to parsers because the Thompson NFA always increments the sequence pointer by the same amount, while a parser's production usually has a variable size, making it harder to run several parsing heads in lockstep.

      [0] https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp2.html

    • smj-edison 7 hours ago
      That's a slick way, would you essentially have a second counter that you'd set to the current cursor whenever you use `.currentToken()` or something like that?