CubeSats are fascinating learning tools for space

(jeffgeerling.com)

71 points | by warrenm 2 hours ago

6 comments

  • ImJasonH 0 minutes ago
    ...so how do you keep it secure?

    I didn't see a lot of detail at https://ethoslabs.space/ besides a Contact Us form, but it sounds like a fascinating problem.

    Is hosting a RPi in space different from hosting one on the ground, reachable over the public internet? I assume it is, but tell me more!

  • hazrmard 1 hour ago
    This takes me down a memory lane! For my undergrad capstone project, we made a cubesat tracker for our university's satellite using a RPi/Arduino/Software-defined-radio to receive transmissions every time it passed over us. I cringe a little looking at the code now - but it worked!

    I agree, cubsats are a wonderful way, for college students even, to tinker with space(-adjacent) tech.

    https://github.com/hazrmard/SatTrack

  • firesteelrain 1 hour ago
    I have launched raspberry pi based PicoBalloons and had one fly for over a year at 40k ft. They are remarkably resilient.

    I have used CubeSats in LEO to make amateur radio contacts. AMSAT is trying to get one to MEO/HEO. New cubesats are being released frequently. Not all RPi based and usually custom PCBs. You can buy desk based CubeSats for STEM

    • dylan604 8 minutes ago
      > had one fly for over a year at 40k ft

      inquiring minds want to know. was this tethered? what kind of clearance did you need and what kind of equipment was necessary for safety purposes?

  • NoiseBert69 52 minutes ago
    If you want to build a "mars rover" yourself you can even simulate that at home :-)

    Use LoRa in the slowest and most reliable mode as radio link. Write software to plan your tours, firmware updates over super limited bandwidth (delta updates are a must), transfer telemetry (buy a few sensors from ali) or even pictures. Autonomous driving? Yes why not.

    Bonus 1: build a small PCB with a solar panel and charging circuit. That doubles the horror.

    Bonus 2: Place it into your families garden that is at least 1km away.

    Lots of very hard challenges to tackle for even super experienced programmers.

    It's even a nice group project for an university lab. If you have to connect a real debugger to get your bot running again your team lost.

  • vodou 1 hour ago
    I've always wondered how well these RPi based cubesats really work in space. Really hard to find out. Also, people (naturally) aren't always eager to talk about failed projects. Maybe some people here on HN have experiences to share?
    • Sanzig 52 minutes ago
      In my experience, having provided advice to a lot of academic CubeSats: the issues usually aren't related to the parts, the problems are usually lack of testing and general inexperience.

      Yes, a Raspberry Pi isn't radiation hardened, but in LEO (say around 400-500 km) the radiation environment isn't that severe. Total ionizing dose is not a problem. High energy particles causing single event effects are an issue, but these can be addressed with design mitigations: a window watchdog timer to reset the Pi, multiple copies of flight software on different flash ICs to switch between if one copy is corrupted, latchup detection circuits, etc. None of these mitigations require expensive space qualified hardware to reasonably address.

      The usual issues I see in academic CubeSats are mostly programmatic. These things are usually built by students, and generally speaking a CubeSat project is just a bit too long (3-4 years design and build + 1-2 years operations) to have good continuity of personnel, you usually have nobody left at the end there since the beginning except the principal investigator and maybe a couple PhD students.

      And since everyone is very green (for many students, this is their first serious multidisciplinary development effort) people are bound to make mistakes. Now, that's a good thing, the whole point is learning. The problem is that extensive testing is usually neglected on academic CubeSats, either because of time pressure to meet a launch date or the team simply doesn't know how to test effectively. So, they'll launch it, and it'll be DOA on orbit since nobody did a fully integrated test campaign.

      • NoiseBert69 34 minutes ago
        It's bit like balloon projects that have a transmitter. I think now the 20th group found out that standard GPS receivers stop reporting data of at a specific height because of the COCOM logic (They 'or' speed and height). Well.. there are quite a few modules around that 'and' this rule and so work perfectly fine in great heights.

        It's all about the learning experience and evolution of these projects. Mistakes must happen.. but learning from them should take place too.

    • verzali 17 minutes ago
      About 50% of cubesats fail, at least partially. I've worked with a dozen or so of them, supporting different people and companies trying to use them. Only one failed to work at all. But many of the others had serious problems of one kind or another that limited their usefulness.
    • jdiez17 1 hour ago
      There are many Raspberry Pis on the International Space Station (AstroPis). They're subject to a similar amount of space radiation as CubeSats in LEO, and they work just fine. There's also an increasing trend of building CubeSat On-Board Computers (OBCs) as some form of Linux System-on-Module (these would traditionally be microcontrollers). I think Raspberry Pis (especially the Compute Modules) are quite suitable for Payload Data Handling (PDH) systems, although I've personally not had a chance to launch a RPi chip yet.
      • vodou 57 minutes ago
        But even in LEO, there must be quite a few SEUs and resets?
        • jdiez17 47 minutes ago
          I personally haven’t seen confirmed SEUs in the satellites I’ve designed/operated (as in, an ionized particle affecting a transistor/MOSFET in a way that creates a short circuit and can only be cleared with a power cycle). But it’s good practice to design space systems to have current monitoring and automatically power off in case of such events.

          Resets etc. are common, most likely caused by software bugs. This is more or less assumed as a fact of life; software for space applications is often as stateless as possible, and when it’s required you’d implement frequent state checkpoints, redundant data storage, etc. These are all common practices that you’d do anyway, it doesn’t make a huge difference if the software is running on a rad-hard microcontroller or off the shelf Linux processor - although (IMO) there are many benefits to the latter (and some downsides as well.) Assuming a base level of reliability, of course - you don’t want your OBC/PDH to overheat or reboot every 5 minutes.

  • tensorlibb 1 hour ago
    It's beyond cool you can pretty cheaply get cube sats on Space X rockets too